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Postby warrior777 on Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:34 pm

Note: As the debate on this issue rages in states across the country, most people are unaware of what’s really happened here. Get ready for an eye-opener.]

Anyone who thinks that same-sex “marriage” is a benign eccentricity which won’t affect the average person should consider what it has done in Massachusetts. It’s become a hammer to force the acceptance and normalization of homosexuality on everyone. And this train is moving fast. What has happened so far is only the beginning.

On November 18, 2003, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court announced its Goodridge opinion, ruling that it was unconstitutional not to allow same-sex “marriage.” Six months later, homosexual marriages began to be performed.

The public schools

The homosexual “marriage” onslaught in public schools across the state started soon after the November 2003, court decision.

At my own children’s high school there was a school-wide assembly to celebrate same-sex “marriage” in early December, 2003. It featured an array of speakers, including teachers at the school who announced that they would be “marrying” their same-sex partners and starting families either through adoption or artificial insemination. Literature on same-sex marriage – how it is now a normal part of society – was handed out to the students.

Within months it was brought into the middle schools. In September, 2004, an 8th-grade teacher in Brookline, MA, told National Public Radio that the marriage ruling had opened up the floodgates for teaching homosexuality. “In my mind, I know that, `OK, this is legal now.’ If somebody wants to challenge me, I’ll say, `Give me a break. It’s legal now,’” she told NPR. She added that she now discusses gay sex with her students as explicitly as she desires. For example, she said she tells the kids that lesbians can have vaginal intercourse using sex toys.

By the following year it was in elementary school curricula. Kindergartners were given picture books telling them that same-sex couples are just another kind of family, like their own parents. In 2005, when David Parker of Lexington, MA – a parent of a kindergartner – strongly insisted on being notified when teachers were discussing homosexuality or transgenderism with his son, the school had him arrested and put in jail overnight.

Second graders at the same school were read a book, “King and King”, about two men who have a romance and marry each other, with a picture of them kissing. When parents Rob and Robin Wirthlin complained, they were told that the school had no obligation to notify them or allow them to opt-out their child.

In 2006 the Parkers and Wirthlins filed a federal Civil Rights lawsuit to force the schools to notify parents and allow them to opt-out their elementary-school children when homosexual-related subjects were taught. The federal judges dismissed the case. The judges ruled that because same-sex marriage is legal in Massachusetts, the school actually had a duty to normalize homosexual relationships to children, and that schools have no obligation to notify parents or let them opt-out their children! Acceptance of homosexuality had become a matter of good citizenship!

Think about that: Because same-sex marriage is “legal”, a federal judge has ruled that the schools now have a duty to portray homosexual relationships as normal to children, despite what parents think or believe!

In 2006, in the elementary school where my daughter went to Kindergarten, the parents of a third-grader were forced to take their child out of school because a man undergoing a sex-change operation and cross-dressing was being brought into class to teach the children that there are now “different kinds of families.” School officials told the mother that her complaints to the principal were considered “inappropriate behavior.”

Libraries have also radically changed. School libraries across the state, from elementary school to high school, now have shelves of books to normalize homosexual behavior and the lifestyle in the minds of kids, some of them quite explicit and even pornographic. Parents complaints are ignored or met with hostility.

Over the past year, homosexual groups have been using taxpayer money to distribute a large, slick hardcover book celebrating homosexual marriage titled “Courting Equality” into every school library in the state.

It’s become commonplace in Massachusetts schools for teachers to prominently display photos of their same-sex “spouses” and occasionally bring them to school functions. Both high schools in my own town now have principals who are “married” to their same-sex partners, whom they bring to school and introduce to the students.

“Gay days” in schools are considered necessary to fight “intolerance” which may exist against same-sex relationships. Hundreds of high schools and even middle schools across the state now hold “gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender appreciation days”. They “celebrate” homosexual marriage and move forward to other behaviors such as cross-dressing and transsexuality. In my own town, a school committee member recently announced that combating “homophobia” is now a top priority.

Once homosexuality has been normalized, all boundaries will come down. The schools are already moving on to normalizing transgenderism (including cross-dressing and sex changes). The state-funded Commission on Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Youth includes leaders who are transsexuals.

Public health

The Commissioner of the Massachusetts Department of Public Health is “married” to another man. In 2007 he told a crowd of kids at a state-sponsored youth event that it’s “wonderful being gay” and he wants to make sure there’s enough HIV testing available for all of them.

Since homosexual marriage became “legal” the rates of HIV / AIDS have gone up considerably in Massachusetts. This year public funding to deal with HIV/AIDS has risen by $500,000.

Citing “the right to marry” as one of the “important challenges” in a place where “it’s a great time to be gay”, the Massachusetts Department of Public Health helped produce The Little Black Book, Queer in the 21st Century, a hideous work of obscene pornography which was given to kids at Brookline High School on April 30, 2005. Among other things, it gives “tips” to boys on how to perform oral sex on other males, masturbate other males, and how to “safely” have someone urinate on you for sexual pleasure. It also included a directory of bars in Boston where young men meet for anonymous sex.


Domestic violence

Given the extreme dysfunctional nature of homosexual relationships, the Massachusetts Legislature has felt the need to spend more money every year to deal with skyrocketing homosexual domestic violence. This year $350,000 was budgeted, up $100,000 from last year.


Business

All insurance in Massachusetts must now recognize same-sex “married” couples in their coverage. This includes auto insurance, health insurance, life insurance, etc.

Businesses must recognize same-sex “married” couples in all their benefits, activities, etc., regarding both employees and customers.

The wedding industry is required serve the homosexual community if requested. Wedding photographers, halls, caterers, etc., must do same-sex marriages or be arrested for discrimination.

Businesses are often “tested” for tolerance by homosexual activists. Groups of homosexual activists often go into restaurants or bars and publicly kiss and fondle each other to test whether the establishment demonstrates sufficient “equality” — now that homosexual marriage is “legal”. In fact, more and more overt displays of homosexual affection are seen in public places across the state to reinforce “marriage equality”.


Legal profession

The Massachusetts Bar Exam now tests lawyers on their knowledge of same-sex “marriage” issues. In 2007, a Boston man, Stephen Dunne, failed the Massachusetts bar exam because he refused to answer the questions in it about homosexual marriage.

Issues regarding homosexual “families” are now firmly entrenched in the Massachusetts legal system. In many firms, lawyers in Massachusetts practicing family law must now attend seminars on homosexual “marriage”. There are also now several homosexualjudges overseeing the Massachusetts family courts.

Adoption of children to homosexual “married” couples

Homosexual “married” couples can now demand to be able to adopt children the same as normal couples. Catholic Charities decided to abandon handling adoptions rather submit to regulations requiring them to allow homosexuals to adopt the children in their care.

In 2006 the Massachusetts Department of Social Services (DSS) honored two men “married” to each other as their “Parents of the Year”. The men already adopted a baby through DSS (against the wishes of the baby’s birth parents). According to news reports, the day after that adoption was final DSS approached the men about adopting a second child. Homosexuals now appear to be put in line for adopting children ahead of heterosexual parents by state agencies in Massachusetts.
Government mandates

In 2004, Governor Mitt Romney ordered Justices of the Peace to perform homosexual marriages when requested or be fired. At least one Justice of the Peace decided to resign.

Also thanks to Gov. Romney, marriage licenses in Massachusetts now have “Party A and Party B” instead of “husband and wife.” Romney did not have a legal requirement to do this; he did it on his own. (See more on this below.)

Since homosexual relationships are now officially “normal”, the Legislature now gives enormous tax money to homosexual activist groups. In particular, the Massachusetts Commission on Gay Lesbian Bisexual and Transgender Youth is made up of the most radical and militant homosexual groups which target children in the schools. This year they are getting $700,000 of taxpayer money to go into the public schools.

In 2008 Massachusetts changed the state Medicare laws to include homosexual “married” couples in the coverage.


The public square

Since gay “marriage”, annual gay pride parades have become more prominent. There are more politicians and corporations participating, and even police organizations take part. And the envelope gets pushed further and further. There is now a profane “Dyke March” through downtown Boston, and recently a “transgender” parade in Northampton that included bare-chested women who have had their breasts surgically removed so they could “become” men. Governor Patrick even marched with his “out lesbian” 17-year old daughter in the 2008 Boston Pride event, right behind a “leather” group brandishing a black & blue flag, whips and chains!


The media

Boston media, particularly the Boston Globe newspaper, regularly does feature stories and news stories portraying homosexual “married” couples where regular married couples would normally be used. It’s “equal”, they insist, so there must be no difference in the coverage. Also, the newspaper advice columns now deal with homosexual “marriage” issues, and how to properly accept it.

A growing number of news reporters and TV anchors are openly “married” homosexuals who march in the “gay pride” parades.


Is gay marriage actually legal in Massachusetts?

Like everywhere else in America, the imposition of same-sex “marriage” on the people of Massachusetts was a combination of radical, arrogant judges and pitifully cowardly politicians.

The Goodridge ruling resulted in a complete cave-in by politicians of both parties on this issue. Same-sex “marriage” is still illegal in Massachusetts. On November 18, 2003 the court merely ruled that it was unconstitutional not to allow it, and gave the Legislature six months to “take such action as it may deem appropriate.” Note that the Massachusetts Constitution strongly denies courts the power to make or change laws, or from ordering the other branches to take any action. The constitution effectively bans “judicial review” – a court changing or nullifying a law. Thus, the court did not order anything to happen; it simply rendered an opinion on that specific case. And the Legislature did nothing. The marriage statutes were never changed. However, against the advice of many, Gov. Romney took it upon himself to alter the state’s marriage licenses to say “Party A and Party B” and order officials to perform same-sex “weddings” if asked, though he had no legal obligation to do so. Technically, same-sex marriages are still illegal in Massachusetts.

Nevertheless, we are having to live with it. And furthermore, this abdication of their proper constitutional roles by the Legislature and Governor has caused a domino effect as “copycat” rulings have been issued in California and Connecticut, with other states fearful it will happen there.

In conclusion

Homosexual “marriage” hangs over society like a hammer with the force of law. And it’s only just begun.

It’s pretty clear that the homosexual movement’s obsession with marriage is not because large numbers of them actually want to marry each other. Research shows that homosexual relationships are fundamentally dysfunctional on many levels, and “marriage” as we know it isn’t something they can achieve, or even desire. (In fact, over the last three months, the Sunday Boston Globe’s marriage section hasn’t had any photos of homosexual marriages. In the beginning it was full of them.) This is about putting the legal stamp of approval on homosexuality and imposing it with force throughout the various social and political institutions of a society that would never accept it otherwise.

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Postby CARMandP on Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:48 pm

Wow. That is an eye-opener. Just was to expect when the "gay" community forces their opinions on the rest of us and the Christian community just sits back and watches.

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Postby djelev8 on Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:12 pm

I have heard of some of this, but I was very surprised about Mitt Romney - I thought that guy was conservative to the bone. Anyway, here in California, we are facing Proposition 8 this Tuesday, which fights the view to rewrite our state constitution to "recognize" same sex couples in the form of "marriage". The impact of Prop 8 NOT passing will probably be similar to that of Massachusetts or worse since it will rewrite our state constitution and it WILL be legal.

One thing I think you forgot to mention was the impact on the Church. Pastors will now by law have to marry same sex couples in their church, despite their biblical stance on homosexuality. If a pastor chooses not to marry based on sexual orientation, the "discrimination" may result in fines, loss of 401C-3 status, or jail time.

This past Sunday I put a "Yes on Prop 8" sign in my front yard, I came home from work and the sign was ripped out. Obviously the wind didn't do that. I am already hearing stuff about people on both sides - homosexuals who oppose Prop 8 and those for it getting crazy, angry and even violent over this issue.

Supposedly a couple years ago California passed the law recognizing ONLY same sex couples. Well, it just takes a couple liberal judges to find a loophole to get their agenda across. It would be almost humorous if it weren't so tragic that the "Liberal Left" are shouting "TOLERANCE" when in fact they are the least tolerant of all. They need to redefine "tolerance" in their language meaning: agree with us, that's it! My pastor was just speaking on tolerance this Sunday, it's a very sad situation we are facing.

I know same sex marriage was legalized in Sweden about 10 years ago. I heard the impact over that time was devastating to the family strucure. There has been a decline in marriage as a whole, since the meaning of it has lost value.



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Postby CARMandP on Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:22 pm

Here in TN they voted on it last time around (06) and passed with over 80% a marriage amendment. Not sure if it was passed into law but it was approved by a huge margin.

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Re: Same Sex Marriage wars

Postby ChristAlone on Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:53 pm

warrior777 wrote:Within months it was brought into the middle schools. In September, 2004, an 8th-grade teacher in Brookline, MA, told National Public Radio that the marriage ruling had opened up the floodgates for teaching homosexuality. “In my mind, I know that, `OK, this is legal now.’ If somebody wants to challenge me, I’ll say, `Give me a break. It’s legal now,’” she told NPR. She added that she now discusses gay sex with her students as explicitly as she desires. For example, she said she tells the kids that lesbians can have vaginal intercourse using sex toys.


I would be outraged if a school, which is deemed a requirement and parents can face civil charges if their child doesn't attend, taught my child this hetero or homo I don't care, I don't need a detached school official to teach what I am more than capable of teaching. And I am just waiting for the day it reaches Texas and someone dares to compare it with civil rights movement.

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Postby K-Dog7469 on Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:34 pm

I am not sure if I want to jump in on this one.
I have been happy and content being away from here. Sharing my thoughts on this matter will require me to follow up since I am quite sure I will be deebated.

Let me sleep on it...

Other wise carry on...



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Postby skiendog on Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:59 pm

djelev8 wrote:I have heard of some of this, but I was very surprised about Mitt Romney - I thought that guy was conservative to the bone.


naw, he's got much better over the past few years. he did used to be quite liberal... but im a little shocked as to the dates thrown out here.... id like to see some sources. i knew that he heald some of these stances in the 90's.



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Postby K-Dog7469 on Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:25 pm

warrior 777 is that your text or did you cut and paste?



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Postby K-Dog7469 on Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:47 pm

what is the point of a gay marriage ban?
You wont stop them from being gay.
Either way you cant legislate morality.

So why do it?
Preserve the sanctity of marriage?
Please. The divorce rate with in the chrisitan faith is in direct alignment with those not claiming any faith. Which sadly hovers right around fifty percent. Infedelity being the leading cause with in the christian faith. Get those numbers to change some and then come talk to me about so called "sanctity of marriage"

Sets the example for our kids ? Classes in school? Who is raising your kids the school or you? Teach your kids what is right in the Lord and your teachings will not stray far. If your kids know right from wrong then half the battel is done. If the teachers says " It is okay for men to marry men and women to marry women " and you have taught your kids other wise then they will be like " Nah' Teach' I dont agree with that"

Flip side of the coin?
Okay.

Steve is a very good friend of mine. Steve is gay. Steve has been in a commited relationship with Harry for over ten years now. Steve is very wealthy.
When Steve came out of the closet his family completely disowned him. I could only imagine how much that hurt. Since then his family have not given a ratts butt about Steve or his welfare.
If Steve were in a tragic accident and some one had to make a life or death descision on his behalf Harry his commited partenr for ten years would have NO SAY in the matters. His family who disowned him years ago, who dont give a ratts but about his welfare, or what he wants or desires would have the say. Not the one who loves him and has stuck by him for the past ten years.

Does any one see a problem with this?

If Steve were to die, his will could be contested by his family and odds are good the family that could not lift a finger to call him at any point for the past ten years could stand to inherit all his estate ( easily over 2 million ) leaving Steve his commited partener high and dry.

Does any one see a problem with this?

I am not argueing gay right / wrong. Scripture is out right clear on the matter. But at the same token scripture is out right clear about a lot of sins that you and I commit on a daily basis. There but by the grace of God go I,,,

The lepers of Jesus time are the gays of our time. We all well know how Jesus treated the lepers. They were embraced by a loving God.
Gays are not unclean, they are not evil. The are loved so much by God that his Son died on a cross to save then. That death was well sufficent to forgive them.

God loves them a lot. Us following suit can only do good.



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Postby skiendog on Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:49 pm

K-Dog7469 wrote:*everything he wrote*


applause.

K-Dog7469 wrote:what is the point of a gay marriage ban?
You wont stop them from being gay.
Either way you cant legislate morality.


wonderful argument, and it makes sense.

my argument against banning gay marriage has always been that it isn't the government's place to allow or disallow marriage. it's a church matter. why does the government even tell us who we can or can't marry? i value my rights too much to allow the government to ban gay marriage. it moves us to a police state.

that being said, i would have a real lengthy discussion with my pastor if he ever married two gay people.



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Postby FazFX on Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:01 pm

joyfulnoise wrote:
K-Dog7469 wrote:I am not sure if I want to jump in on this one.
I have been happy and content being away from here. Sharing my thoughts on this matter will require me to follow up since I am quite sure I will be deebated.

Let me sleep on it...

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good to see ya kevin


:shock:

Though it's a pleasant surprise to see you back on here, I would've bet my turbo kit on your response (and been right).

Personally, I don't have a problem with homosexual marriage, either, but why a gay would want to marry a lesbian...

*ba-dum-pshhh*

Seriously, I'm not opposed to homosexuals having "civil unions" that are recognized by the state. Outlawing them from getting "married" won't change the fact that they're living that lifestyle.

The only problem that I have is that they want to say not only that it's EQUIVALENT to marriage, but that it's no different. I say they're wrong, because the very definition of marriage has always been man and woman. I don't try to force my views on anyone else, but they're trying to force their views on me, and I'm NOT ok with that.

Saying "homosexual marriage" is like saying "homosexual heterosexual" in my book. What's next? Are they going to petition until the term "homosexual" is eliminated, and the term "heterosexual" can be either straight OR gay? What the heck? Marriage is a heterosexual union. Civil-unions are for homosexual unions. It's NOT discriminatory, provided that civil-unions are made legally equal to marriages.

I've heard people on other forums claiming that homophobia is the new racism. I think that's nonsense. Some people have said that having two separate terms is like having segregated drinking fountains. Again, I think that's nonsense. Having some sort of separation based on sexual preference is no different than having separate male/female restrooms.

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Postby K-Dog7469 on Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:23 pm

Thanks for the welcome back.
It is getting darker eariler so Arielle and I are out playing less. What ever excuse I can muster up.

Yeah Faz you well could have written half my post I'll bet. I'll figure out a way to surprise you one of these days.

skeindog wrote:that being said, i would have a real lengthy discussion with my pastor if he ever married two gay people


That is the real deal there. I DO have issues with a church conducting the marriage. But like you said with out the governemnts interviening. (sp?)



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Postby skiendog on Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:28 pm

kdog wrote:
skindog wrote:that being said, i would have a real lengthy discussion with my pastor if he ever married two gay people


That is the real deal there. I DO have issues with a church conducting the marriage. But like you said with out the government's intervening.


glad i am in agreement with someone there. i dont think that the government should be telling us those kinds of things. first they tell you who you can and cannot marry, then they will start telling you where you have to live. its just plain totalitarianism.



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Postby ChristAlone on Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:01 pm

I agree with you, K. That was an eye opener for me. I don't condemn gay unions but I definately don't condone them. But I think that gays that are in my life (manager and others that may not feel comfortable telling me) do not approach me about any problems because people know that I openly don't condone homosexuality.

Thanks K, this made me examine myself and see where I fall short of displaying Christ light. Though I will NOT change my views, I will consciously attempt to alter my ATTITUDE towards individuals and the community as a whole.



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