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Postby Subby_man on Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:49 pm

What are your thoughts on this one? Can one lose their salvation? Or does one believe that once I'm saved, I'm always saved?

I already have my answer, but I'm interested in what you guys think.



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Postby Stick on Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:27 pm

I believe once saved always saved , the Reason I feel this in Truth is the verse that tells us U Are Saved & SEALED till the day of redemption! to me that says sealed untill the day he returns for us , Yes we can maybe backslide , But Got is Faithful even when we are Not



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Postby billcannon791 on Fri Nov 25, 2005 8:08 pm

Stick wrote:I believe once saved always saved , the Reason I feel this in Truth is the verse that tells us U Are Saved & SEALED till the day of redemption! to me that says sealed untill the day he returns for us , Yes we can maybe backslide , But Got is Faithful even when we are Not


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Postby K-Dog7469 on Fri Nov 25, 2005 8:24 pm

I actually believe in both.
Hear me out.

On the one hand I do not believe God is sitting there begging for a reason to send you packing. The lengths he and his son went through are quite significant. That should show the measure and desire God has to be with you. But by the same token I dont think God is all about being a get out of hell free pass.

If I know any thing about faith it is this, it is a process, it is a journey.

YES you can loose your salvation, but NO it is not easy. It is based on the attitude of the heart, and not weather or not you can go a week with out being human.

*sigh* Either way, in my mind we will never know till we see him face to face.



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Postby Subby_man on Sat Nov 26, 2005 4:00 am

Stick wrote:I believe once saved always saved , the Reason I feel this in Truth is the verse that tells us U Are Saved & SEALED till the day of redemption! to me that says sealed untill the day he returns for us , Yes we can maybe backslide , But Got is Faithful even when we are Not


what if we get saved, follow God for the longest time, then tragedy hits and we walk away from God, are we still guaranteed a spot in His glory? I believe we lose our salvation (our spots with God in eternity) when we stop repenting and stop listening to the Holy Spirits conviction of our sin. But I believe we are new creations in Christ once saved.



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Postby papasmurf7498 on Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:03 am

ok this may seem a little left field so flame away but here is my view on the subject.... No I do not believe that once you are saved you are always saved. Reason being God has revealed a lot to me in the past years one of which was on the subject of being luke warm. When you are in sin you are cold and indifferant. When you get saved You gain a fire in your soul a passion if you will, Seeking after God. If you begin to fall away from God into the world. That coldness comes back BUT you never lose the memory of what life was like with God. You retain part of that heat forever. Thus never becoming completely cold again. Making you Lukewarm. As stated in Revelation chapter 3 verses 15 and 16 [15] I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
[16] So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
thats what God has shown me on the subject. I criticize no one for there beliefs on the subject. What God has planned for my life on earth may be dependent on my translation of this what God has in store for your life may be dependant on another interpretation we must work out our own salvation with fear and trembling God will lead you in the direction he wants you to go.



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Postby Subby_man on Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:05 pm

that was awesome papasmurf, I believe you hit that right on the head! Thank you so much for that.



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Postby skiendog on Mon Nov 28, 2005 10:54 pm

well i dont believe that you could lose your salvation........save for ONE way. the unforgivable sin. i dont have any Biblical referance for this, but i have always heard of people speaking of the unforgivable sin, which is not accepting Gods help when he offers it. or am i wrong. which could be. please tell me if this is actually in the Bible. cause ive only heard of it hear-say. knowing me, i am probably wrong.



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Postby K-Dog7469 on Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:36 pm

well I sincerely hope it is NOT not accepting Gods help.
Otherwise I think every one is doomed.

Not accepting his saving grace is the only thing I can imagine God not forgiving.

I dunno, the more I think about salvation,,,,,

WHEN are we saved ? Is it now this very second ? Or is it when we stand before the father and he welcomes us home ?

Some time ago I asked a question here. Something to the effect of " How long have you been a Christian " More than a few of you eluded to your salvation experiance being a process over time. What if that process continues to this day ? What if that process continues till the day we die ?

A lot of Christians seem to think that bringing some one to Jesus is some sort of goal, or a finish line, I will suggest the contrary. Bringing some one to Jesus is just the beginning. Just like in our own lives. If your walk with Jesus is the same now as it was a year ago, five years ago, a month ago what have you, I think, you need to look at what this means to you. ( tangent I am sorry )

The intresting thing is, IF this thought on salvation being a process has an inkeling of legitmacy, it leads to the possibility that YES you can, loose your savlation if you give up on the process of salvation, the process of comming to know Jesus, the process of learning to live like him. OR, NO you can not if you press forward in the process of salvation, the process of comming to know Jesus, the process of learning to live like him.

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Postby skiendog on Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:40 am

WOO HOO!!!! thinking outside the box!!! congrats k-dogg, and on that thought, let me state my beliefs:
coming to know Jesus is just the begining, but i think that it is a point. it is a point at which a door is opened. that door leads you to a road, and a long journey before you. heaven is at the end of the road.
can you come back and give up your salvation? i believe yes, shhould you run back out of that door screeming and deny Jesus as your savior and deny God. should you contenue to believe this till the day you die, i believe that just might loose you your salvation.
tell me whatcha think.



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Postby papasmurf7498 on Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:36 am

woo hoo thank you k-dog i have thought of that too another good to make people think which yes I know flame away because this contridicts my last post but any way when some one asks you when you got saved tell them " a little over two-thousand years ago" see what they say.



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Postby papasmurf7498 on Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:11 am

on another note.
skiendog said:
well i dont believe that you could lose your salvation........save for ONE way. the unforgivable sin. i dont have any Biblical referance for this, but i have always heard of people speaking of the unforgivable sin, which is not accepting Gods help when he offers it. or am i wrong. which could be. please tell me if this is actually in the Bible. cause ive only heard of it hear-say. knowing me, i am probably wrong.

there is only one sin mentioned in the bible as being unforgivable. Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. text is found in Mathew 12 verses 31 and 32 kjv "31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. " Hope this helps SKIENDOG



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Postby REVILED on Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:19 am

I believe that God initiates and completes our redemption.

Ro 3:11
John 6:44
Eph 2:10
2Tim 1:9
1Peter 1:5
2Tim 2:13
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Postby Jami on Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:48 am

there is only one sin mentioned in the bible as being unforgivable. Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. text is found in Mathew 12 verses 31 and 32 kjv "31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. " Hope this helps SKIENDOG

Is this similar to denying God? That is the one way you can lose your salvation. If you are near to Him, and then you walk away and act as if His fire was never in you, and when asked you DENY Him, I believe you will not enter into His Heavenly Gates, unless you ask for forgiveness and begin again living for Him.

Does that make sense?



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Postby FazFX on Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:24 pm

Jami wrote:Is this similar to denying God? That is the one way you can lose your salvation. If you are near to Him, and then you walk away and act as if His fire was never in you, and when asked you DENY Him, I believe you will not enter into His Heavenly Gates, unless you ask for forgiveness and begin again living for Him.

Does that make sense?


I follow you completely - I've pondered the meaning of that verse, and after having been through exactly what you were talking about, I would hesitantly have to agree.

I can see in retrospect that even when I walked away and denied Him, His providence brought me back. See my testimony for more detail (I posted it Saturday), but though He called me back to Him (Praise His name!) I feel that I had the option to ignore His Him. Matt 22:14 - "For many are called, but few are chosen."

I don't want to start a debates here, but my viewpoints are halfway between Calvinists and Arminians (is that spelled right?) in that God calls us and has a plan for our lives, but we have a choice in the matter to accept Him or willfully disobey Him. This is a choice we make every day of our lives, and if we do it as believers, we fall into that "lukewarm" category.



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