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Postby tramsell_ on Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:01 am

I found this the other day and wanted to see what you guys thought. One that caught my eye is the symbol representing the trinity. It's about a 1/4 of the way down. There are parts of this article that I don't agree with but I am wondering about the symbol especially since it is on the new holyrollerz t-shirts.
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http://www.av1611.org/crock/crockex1.html

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Postby AaronsRod on Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:21 am

I too read thru the article,and find there is stuff there wher the writers are simply on a "whitch-hunt"(for lack of a better term)..."Look at the way he standing!!"..I mean good greif...According to these people we should ONLY be listening to hymns and nothing else.But then they would probably go find problems with the people who wrote the hymns...On the same note though,I will say there are somethings in there I do agree with,including the way some bands act,speak and present themselves.(See the POD article in particular).

As far as the shirt thing,I'm sort of torn on that one....That symbol could go either way..



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Re: Question about article

Postby AutoXSTi on Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:44 pm

tramsell_ wrote:I found this the other day and wanted to see what you guys thought. One that caught my eye is the symbol representing the trinity. It's about a 1/4 of the way down. There are parts of this article that I don't agree with but I am wondering about the symbol especially since it is on the new holyrollerz t-shirts.
Here's the article:
http://www.av1611.org/crock/crockex1.html

Here's the shirt:
http://www.holyrollerz.org/products/gru ... t/back.jpg


The one thing you need to understand is, what is the message behind those symbols. What is HRC³ trying to convey? That is Christ!!!! When we have people that are objective to what we believe in, they will point out all the flaws that we have but yet to take a couple steps back and look in the mirror. I'll give you an example about our cars. Some Non-believers and even believers think that our HRC³ members are materialistic since we drive nice cars and go to NOPI shows. The big picture is, they don't know us on a personal level. They don't know what our message is. They don't know that Christ is #1 in our life. All else is just tools to help the ministry. Remember, Jesus hung out with the world but didn't particpate in it. Any chance he got was to preach the gospel.

Christians can become any type of singer, artist, race car drive, etc.. It is tools/hooks that we use to spread the word of God. I honestly believe it is a common bond that we all have. Get to know someone and let them see how you live your life for Christ.



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Postby K-Dog7469 on Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:43 pm

I have seen that guys mumbo-jumbo years ago.
We all have seen countless interviews where sone one has said something that some one else has taken way out of context. I am sure I can go through every ones posts here and take just one sentence or even a segment of a sentence and make it sound like what ever I want it to. 100 % totally and completely out of context. That is what this guys is doing to the Bible. Some small phrase, one small sentence, ignoring the context or the bigger picture or the over all message of God word and making it into what ever proves his point.

Furthermore he is just the enimys door mat. Any thing that is used in the occoult he automaticly rejects. Even things of pure or neutral origin or even things of christian orogin, is some one uses it for the occoult or rock and roll then it is instantly transformed into evil.

Believers like this break my heart.



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Postby tramsell_ on Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:48 am

AaronsRod wrote:I too read thru the article,and find there is stuff there wher the writers are simply on a "whitch-hunt"(for lack of a better term)..."Look at the way he standing!!"..I mean good greif...According to these people we should ONLY be listening to hymns and nothing else.But then they would probably go find problems with the people who wrote the hymns...On the same note though,I will say there are somethings in there I do agree with,including the way some bands act,speak and present themselves.(See the POD article in particular).

As far as the shirt thing,I'm sort of torn on that one....That symbol could go either way..


Someone actually told me that hymns were sang as happy hour songs. I heard that after I got into a debate over Christian Rap. A friend of mine gave me a video saying Christian rap is wrong and I disagreed. The guy made good points, but I disagreed with his overall point.

Anyways back to the topic, I figured the guy took stuff out of context and that some of the stuff he said was over the top. He did make good points, but others he kept bringing up things from way before that the singer didn't do anymore.

One of the main things I wondered was about the symbol. Sure, HRC³ isn't conveying any anti-Christian values, but when an unsaved person sees this, it might confuse them. Also, when members were cautioned about interviews about the club, it was to keep HRC³ from negative feedback or to keep from people getting the wrong message about the club. If the symbol was used for different purposes a while back, why not come up with something different?



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Postby mcneil_2013 on Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:46 am

After reading that article, the only thing I can say is, "Wow...". I don't know any other background info on Dr. Watkins, but his article does a good job proving that even the most highly educated can be prejudice. There was little to no balanced, factual evidence for either side.

As for the symbols, I think it depends on the intent. You should be aware of a symbol's history and what preconceived notions people might have of it, but all in all, if someone has a good looking design with a personal meaning, there shouldn't be a problem.



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Postby brian on Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:28 am

tramsell_ wrote: Also, when members were cautioned about interviews about the club, it was to keep HRC? from negative feedback or to keep from people getting the wrong message about the club.


The request to let officers be the only ones to interview was after HBO interviewed us. The lady doing the interview started with Gumby, and it was obvious where she was going with her line of questioning. She kept trying to get him to say something controversial. Jerry turned the interview over to me, and she kept trying and trying and trying. When the documentary finally aired, there was nothing negative from HRC?, but she made a lot of other valid ministries look awefully stupid because she trapped them and twisted their words.

tramsell_ wrote: If the symbol was used for different purposes a while back, why not come up with something different?


If people in the occult start using the Cross, do we ditch that too? I don't think so. The Triquetra although distorted by people as in this article, remains a Christian symbol. Hilter and Jesse James have jacked the Maltese cross, but I don't think that means we should abandon it.



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Postby tramsell_ on Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:11 pm

After reading more about this, I decided (for myself), that it is unclear where the Triquetra exactly originated. People say it was an early Celtic Christian symbol, and others say that it was the symbol of a goddess. I think the guy in the article went a little over the top saying it was a satanic symbol. He only says that it is common in witchcraft (which according to a wiccan site, the Triqueta is more commonly used to as the Tritinity). After reading a few websites descriptions, I really don't see too much of a problem with this. The article has although reminded me to keep watch of certain things and influences.


I do thank you guys for your thoughts on this.


Here are a few sites that describe the triqueta that I read:
http://www.citiesforchrist.com/aboutus.shtml
http://www.mistresshellfire.com/triquetra.html
http://altreligion.about.com/library/gl ... iqueta.htm



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